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Friesian x Appaloosa - Imperial Sport Horse

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prismatics
October 11th, 2018 10:44:59pm
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SO I'm lovin colored breeds rn and! I'm sure some of you have seen pics of Mystic Warrior (gorgeous gorgeous boy) and have maybe seen breeders like this http://decadent-art.com/index.php that go for colored sporthorses & appy/friesians. I personally don't always like the average appy's conformation would love an official crossbreed with the lovely Friesian! I know there's a lot of appaloosas here (and not so many friesians), but I think the combination is stunning and would love to start some! how bout it? ;)


 


to clarify, it'd be Friesian X Appaloosa, not other colored types or warmbloods




 


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October 12th, 2018 2:59:26am
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I would be more keen on it being called a colored sport horse or something along those lines since paints are also often used  but thats just me :)




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prismatics
October 12th, 2018 3:07:48am
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ah yeah but I mean that cross specifically! colored sport horses are cool (and I know the breeder I linked does other crosses, ie colored sport horses), I just meant the friesian x appaloosa cross itself.




 

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October 12th, 2018 3:48:28am
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I'd be game to start these if they get added!




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alcatraz ♣
October 12th, 2018 3:57:41am
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Oh my god yes. I would start these tomorrow if we had them. I love their spots but same- I don't always care for Appy's conformation. Or else I could go for Norikers or Knabstruppers, which I might do anyway to be honest because I haven't had a colored breed in a while and I'm missing them.

 

But that's besides the point- I need Friesaloosas in my life :D




 

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mango 🍑 stay your pretty eyes on course
October 12th, 2018 4:05:39am
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*quietly pushes knabs*

I would actually be down for these tho :D Maybe Spotted Sport Horse or Painted Sport Horse for the name?




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prismatics
October 12th, 2018 5:52:14am
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yay support !! Yeah, I was thinking of breeding knabstruppers - I also still think I will anyway - but they don't have that friesian fluff!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And I'd just be leery of calling it a "sport horse" because it's specifically part friesian (though I know Friesian Sport Horses are A Thing, but Friesian's in the name), and "painted" implies it's not appy, but maybe "spotted sport horse" if we could get it as a friesian crossed with norikers, knabs AND appys? but those are certainly three different body types and not all I'd see in "sport" lol! and "spotted sport horse" kinda makes me think of warmbloods bred with showy coats rather than that! tbh I just want 100 Mystic Warrior babies running around




 

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mango • spare 0
October 12th, 2018 10:34:21pm
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I actually wouldn't mind starting lines of these.. I actually took care of one at a farm I used to work at. BEAUTIFUL looker and mover, but a a touch of stubborness lol. I love colored sport horses, they are really elegant looking instead of your typical coat colors. 

 

I do like the sound of Spotted Sport Horse as prism said.  




 

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prismatics
October 12th, 2018 11:43:25pm
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Ooh, just need one more person then?! :0

Yeah, I think a straight Friesian x Appaloosa could be a Friesaloosa (or if yall think that sounds ugly something similar lol) and if ppl are into colored sport horses crosses (which might include a LOT more horses) the spotted or colored sport horse would be something else. Spotted warmbloods are pretty too ;A; but my priority is friesian appy because dangggg 




 

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mango 🍑 stay your pretty eyes on course
October 13th, 2018 1:50:01am
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The sport horse part of the name just sucks me in lol. I just suggested Painted Sport Horse because I think some people said they weren't really into just spots? I get what you mean about the sport horse thing though. When I hear it, I think about the Georgian Grande conformation (which are literally Saddlebred x Friesian crosses, with the big size and the feathers but the sleek build). 

I'm kinda iffy about the Friesialoosa name though, just because I feel like it doesn't give off the elegant vibe that these gorgeous boys have? Maybe it's just me lol. Maybe switch it around to Appesian or Appesian Horse?




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October 13th, 2018 1:55:17am
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Baroque Spotted Horses? Spotted Baroque? Or some other variation? Friesians - especially the ones crossbred for that medieval look - are known as the Baroque type!




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mango 🍑 stay your pretty eyes on course
October 13th, 2018 2:00:14am
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What Faths said! I knew there was a name for that type and I couldn't think of it lol. I like Spotted Baroque or Spotted Baroque Horse




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prismatics
October 13th, 2018 5:22:54am
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Ok I totally see what you guys are saying! Friesaloosa sounds like a circus animal xD I just feel like not including a cross name makes it sound like it's not the cross that it is. It would seem then to me like more horses should be included if it's "a baroque horse" or "a sport horse" yknow? Maybe Appesian? 




 

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October 13th, 2018 3:02:36pm
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Hey guys! We are only adding breeds right now that are recognized by official breeder’s organizations. Sometimes we will add special/mythical crosses or breeds, but not regularly. In order to get these added, they will need to be a recognized breed or cross. I believe there is a sport horses of color breed organization but they are not solely this specific cross, I think. Alternately, you can research if any Appy or Friesian registries recognize this cross and what they call it. Sorry to squash the fun!




 

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Equ » Autumn is in the air🍁
October 13th, 2018 5:08:30pm
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While the Friesaloosa is not a recognized breed within its own club, I did some research on Mystic Warrior himself to see what clubs - if any - he was registered under that recognize it. The owners of this stallion state that his offspring are eligible to be registered in the following Clubs:

* Friesian Bloodhorse Registry

* Friesian Sporthorse Registry

* Warmblood Association

So I looked into each of these clubs and in the Friesian Sporthorse Registry (FSR/FSA), the Appaloosa x Friesian cross would be registered under Certificate of Pedigree as they fail to meet the other book's criteria (i.e Warmblood/Sporthorse crosses or purebred).  In the Friesian Blood Horse Registry, they accept any cross as long as they meet the requirements of having at least 25% Friesian bloodline and must take a DNA test. Then in order to stay within registry, they must perform well in shows, but they do not say the exact name for the cross nor does the FSA. Personally, I think it is a big stretch that the AWR/AWA would take in a Friesaloosa Cross as the owners state, they would be more inclined with the Sporthorses like the Friesian x Thoroughbreds and Freisian x Warmbloods I feel.

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After a few more hours of searching, I've found a group called the International Pattern Sport Horse Registry, who state that an Appaloosa x Friesian cross would be accepted under the Imperial Sport Horse registry AS LONG as the horses do not exhibit a high amount of white due to Sabino or Pinto genes. 

I also found a second group called the Sportaloosa International that accept Appaloosa x Friesians in the eligible non-spotted blood, which include the following breeds: 

* Warmblood

* Thoroughbred 

* FRIESIAN

* Arabian

* Andalusian

* Lusitano

* Stock Horse

* Quarter Horse

Therefore, I would say this breed would be added to HP as either a Sportaloosa or an Imperial Sport Horse. Personally, I think Sportaloosa is more Apt. 




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prismatics
October 13th, 2018 6:21:30pm
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Oooo a lot of info here !! so the cross is accepted in a few places! and i just did a quick google and it seems as you said, here they have 25% friesian x Lp/patterned as "Imperial" as well, so maybe that is the cross name..? It appears that they also include knabstruppers into the equation as well. they accept NO grays and discourage pinto patterns: stated here. But, yes, it appears that they refer to a friesian/spotted as "Imperial", so if Knabs are thrown in as an accepted cross with friesians, can we get that added? :0

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

edit: but if it's consider more sport horse-y it's a "sportaloosa?" 

 

 

 

I kind of like the Imperial for our original purposes though, if that works :0




 

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prismatics
October 13th, 2018 6:25:43pm
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 ok ok I'm making edits as you're making edits xD If we could get it as Knabstrupper/Friesian/Appaloosa could we go Imperial Sport Horse? I would assume that the Sportaloosa is under a wider range of possible breed heritage, which is also great, just even more horses would be possible to create that cross??




 

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Equ » Autumn is in the air🍁
October 13th, 2018 6:26:54pm
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It's very possible Prismatics, as Knabs did come up quite a bit in my digging as an accepted cross. Based on the two groups I'm looking at, they say the following for the two: 

A(n) Imperial Sport Horse is dubbed when a horse is: 

* The result of breeding a(n) Lp Patterned horse to a horse of any other breed (i.e. Friesian in our case) 

* The horse does not need to be a defined breed, but CANNOT have high amounts of Sabino or Pinto genes. 

* They must be DNA tested

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If you cross a Knabstrupper x Friesian, then the IPSHR states it as a Knabstrupper Blood Horse. They state that this breed is defined as any horse of Knabstrupper lineage, but is not eligible to be registered as a Kanbstrupper (i.e. A Friesian x Knab Cross) - source

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A Sportaloosa is defined by their Sportaloosa Registry as the following: 

* A horse that is crossed with a Kanbstrupper, Appaloosa or other spotted sporthorse breeds

* A horse that is not a Sportaloosa may be registered under the Eligible Non-Spotted Crosses (i.e the list above with the Friesian) - Source

Therefore, I would say we can only call them Sportaloosas or Knabstrupper Blood Horse when we cross a Friesian or Appaloosa with a Knabstrupper. And we can only call them Imperial Sport Horses when an Appaloosa is crossed with a Friesian.




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prismatics
October 13th, 2018 6:50:59pm
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oooh great thanks for all the research eir!! there seemed to be a lot of mixed overall support for a sport horse type appy and friesian appy, I wonder if we can get all three of these ?? or if they all need to be confirmed again ;;

edit: I'll go ahead and message Sam to check !




 

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Equ » Autumn is in the air🍁
October 13th, 2018 7:02:06pm
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Based on research, I'd say that a Sportaloosa or a Imperial Sport Horse would be the two to go for as they seem to have more a direct and indirect overall agreement within Club registries. There's a lot of Blood Horses out there so I don't think the Knabstrupper Blood Horse would be accepted as easily. 

But hopefully this helps and good luck! :) 




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October 13th, 2018 10:06:52pm
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Oh man oh mannn. I wouldn't even have an account to do these on because I breed too many breeds already lol but Mystic Warrior and Legendary Design are BEAUTIFUL.




 

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