So I have been tracking my 2 Appaloosas for the last few days that are entered in 80 private shows a week.... and while I am no math whiz, I feel like the points gained each night are not adding up to double points. While I could very much be mistaken....am I the only one noticing something is going on with the points or has anyone else noticed anythingas well?

I noticed this same thing and I talked to Blitz about it. She assured me the numbers were correct on her side but I am super confused.

Saturday my 4 GSDs were entered into 40 private shows. 20 with 10 max, 20 with 8 max.

Sunday they were entered into 20 shows with 10 max.

All shows were private.

These points are from after shows ran so they gained:

Which throws me off a lot.

According to this post here: https://horsephenomena.com/viewpost.php?id=3254

"An upgraded player with their breed specialty gets 3000 points for first place.
Points awarded progress down from there, with 50 places being awarded points."

(For those who don't want to scroll to find this, I've screenshotted and highlighted the mentioned area here: click. :)

Let's say my dogs had the worse luck ever and landed in spot 10 every show (even though 20 of those were impossible as there were only 8 dogs in them on Saturday - we will still say 10th to show how bad things were off on my end).

1st: 2000 / 3000
2nd: 1950 / 2950
3rd: 1900 / 2900
4th: 1850 / 2850
5th: 1800 / 2800
6th: 1750 / 2750
7th: 1700 / 2700
8th: 1650 / 2650
9th: 1600 / 2600
10th: 1550 / 2550

Which means that on Saturday my dogs should have earned at a minimum 2550 x 40 = $102,000, BUT it's double points month so you would times that by 2. Which would be 204,000. They only made a measly 147k and 154k ~50k less than what they should have made at a minimum.

Sunday they would have made 2550 x 20 = 51,000 x 2 = 102,000 - a whole ~27k less than what they should have earned at a minimum at the worst luck of getting 10th every show.

If we look at Saturday how it should be [20 with 10, 20 with 8] it would have been 2550 (10th in every show with a max of 10) x 20 = 51,000 (2650 [eight in every show with a max of 8] x 20) = 104,000 x 2 = 208,000

Again I did talk to Blitz about this who assured me all numbers were right on her end, but I am super confused as to what I am doing wrong and why my math is confuckled.

Is it possible that you maybe missed entering some shows? I have 4 GSDs in 90 Privates, and each of them seem to be on track for what they should be for double points month vs my public trained ones. (And that includes me missing a week of training for my GSDs xD cause life...)

IDK what the math is for mine. But here's my break down, they are strictly 80 privates a week.

(I did not miss any shows.)

Horse 1: (20 private shows per night) 

5/26: 1,988,350 

5/27: 2,067,950 - 76,600 earned

5/28: 2,137,550 - 69,600 earned

Horse 2: (20 private shows per night)

5/26: 1,951,450 

5/27: 2,030,850 - 79,400 earned

5/28: 2,103,570 - 72,720 earned

100% positive I requested, accepted, and entered them all myself.

My vanners are also having issues - but I will attempt to show that to you later

Things to note:

1) I didn't write that post, a previous admin did waaay back in 2013 when the forum was first added to HP and I now own her old main, which is why it seems like I wrote that post. And why I have absolutely no memory of writing it. Because I didn't LOL. 

2) It's generally a better idea to follow what official HP pages say vs. old forum posts from 10 years ago. The General Help page says this about points from show placing:

"The shows on HP are judged randomly, with first place equally 2,000 points, and second place equalling 1,960 points, on down to 50 places. Any horses that don't place only get their entrance points. Entrance points are awarded when you enter the shows. If the animal is your breed specialty, you will get double entrance points. "

As Con said, I did check the 3 files that are changed for double points month to happen, and all of the changes are there and correct, and have been all month.

Hmm I must have some pretty crummy luck... Nothing to be done then I suppose?

I suppose the easiest way to test it would be to buy 10 store horses and enter them into a show and it should give me a general idea? Though of course after 5th place I would have no idea who scored what. The 2000 to 1960 is interesting.

Welp.  I thought I noticed that double points month (although still AWESOME and I love it) wasn't quite bringing what I remembered. Coming off of a pretty long hiatus though, I'm not really sure how much I should trust my memory...and I kind of just figured I remembered wrong because no one else brought it up until now.

I have private shows through the end of May, so I'll keep an eye on where I land too... assuming then that it looks like the 70-79k range for private shows this month is correct, then all must be well.

Blitz, I do see your note about going by what the HP pages say, so I'm not skipping over that, but I guess that might also make Mango's private show calculator also wrong? (sorry if this has already been proven incorrect, I may have missed the memo while I was gone)

Stick with me here for a second though (assuming the calculator is correct)- if per night someone enters 20 private shows at a max 10 entries, theoretically you could filter the private show calculator to 10 horses per show at 20 shows per week.  When I do this, the average points kicks out at 62,600 - so in theory, if this was correct, for double points it would land on an average of 125,200. Sure, give or take a fair +/- due to it being an average.

I guess I didn't really expect it to be that far off, but I could just be looking at it wrong too... or if it's a known fact that we shouldn't use it, I'm the dork who missed the memo and I'll put my foot in my mouth :)

*waves

hello yes this entire thing confuses me but I have *more than ten store horses from within the month shown only publicly if any of you need comparison numbers? There's have to be some math done to detract club points but idk if it helps it helps 🤷‍♀️ 

So I have a long spreadsheet about this, as I track weekly. My 2 paints get entered in 80 privates weekly. None are flooded... at 10 horses per show.

Here's the comparison of weekly gain over the weeks for me:

Seems to be working for me? (minus a few human errors like missing a few shows here or there...)

I ran a test overnight to confirm that things are running correctly, after taking another look at the crons to confirm yet again that things were correct.

My experiment: I bought 10 store dogs on Sam's account, the breed being the one her account currently was set to: Neapolitan Mastiffs. I created 1 private dog show on her account, and entered all 10 of them into it with no one else entered. After training them in the single show, they all had 800 entry points. I edited the date on the show to run last night so I wouldn't have to wait an extra day for the results.

Looking at them now that the show has run, it confirms that points are awarding correctly, both for double points month, and in general.

Points for the top 10 if it's your breed specialty should be (place-regular points awarded=double points awarded):

1-2000=4000
2-1960=3920
3-1920=3840
4-1880=3760
5-1840=3680
6-1800=3600
7-1760=3520
8-1720=3440
9-1680=3360
10-1640=3280

Which is also what is stated in the General Help that I quoted in my last reply.

If you go look at Sam's main to confirm what I'm talking about, when looking at their points subtract the 800 to end up with the double points month amounts from the above chart!

So to now reply to comments:

Ris - no, nothing is going to be done because nothing is broken.

Vida - I can't speak to mango's calculator, I didn't make it and it's not "officially HP". You'd have to message her to ask about that and what her math is.

I am so glad that you did that, because it does prove there is either a lack of correct information or a mistake somewhere in the coding - as per the help pages. 

I did some digging last night because I remembered the 1.5x points being something that was avaliable across the board for upgraded accounts with breed speciality. I have a bad habit of taken extensive notes when I play a new game (let's not talk about my WoW, PoE, and more documents of notes and spreadsheets). HP is no different.

As per the help articles "1.5x show points for breed specialty animals who place in the top 10 in shows" (https://horsephenomena.com/upgrade_help.php - right there under the perks of upgrading) when I do the math the only thing that is making sense is that we are getting the x2, but we are loosing that x1.5 instead of it being x1.5 and then x2.

https://i.imgur.com/PgQqsu9.png full size here

I just found it extremely hard to believe that this is the first double points month I will be ending earning less than 2m points per animal trained in privates.

Lynelle - I do see an increase in the points you earned, but you should be making ~500-600k a week if the points were doubled. We are earning more than usual, that much I can admit - it isn't doubled.

Con - here's how I did my math...

100 shows with the 800 per show is 80k correct?

And lets say, best case senario the horse got 1st in all of the 100 shows... that would be 4k*100 = 400k.

So 400k plus the 80k from entering is actually only 480k a week. There's no way that he could get 500-600k/week, unless I did my math wrong.

I followed this very closely with Ringwraith.

From 100 energy on a normal week we expect 300k (give or take).

During DP month she was averaging 500k- 600k a week (give or take) 

Seems right? 

Rosa is awesome, Rosa is fine, Rosa didn't write this...

Only we are supposed to get 1.5x for having upgrades already which should make it 1.5x the x2. So a total of 6k per first spot. Which would be 300,000 earned on a normal week, 600,000 earned on double points month - so long as they place first.

And as per Blitz above 1640 for tenth x the 1.5x whould be 2,475, which on a normal week would be 247,500 per 100 shows earned. Then for double points month that would be 495,000 earned - for the 10th place across the board awarded, not including entry points.

If you include the double entry points it would be + 80k for 100 shows so it would be 680k per 100 first place spots and 575k per tenth place spots.

This means from 10th to 1st, the points should range from 495k-600k per week (not including entry points) on double points month. Which is not happening with any of my animals that are in privates. So I think we are loosing the 1.5x and only getting the 2x times, because that is the only way the math is adding up and it was also proven by the results that Blitz posted above.

I guess I haven't watched it closely in the past years to see if they did the 2x on top of the perks of having the upgrade. Whether or not that was done in the past, I don't know.

But I still think that there is a significant increase in the points that I've been tracking (and it looks like City has had similar results)... so it simply must be the 2x instead of the 1.5x PLUS 2x.

Also, PPS - City needs to spill the dets on how to get 600k a week, lol cause that's above my math skills. lol .. I wonder if you get any bonuses for milestones or such that might be padding you here and there? Interesting though.

I unfortunately tend to track every year, but I just deleted a mass amount of my tracking spreadsheets so I have reached out to Google support to see if there is anyway to recover what I deleted.

During double points month, the line in both the horse and dog crons to do with the 1.5 is changed to 2, per the instructions Sam left for how she's always done it.

That is literally how it's been done since double points month started, long prior to me taking over. It has not suddenly changed, it's this every year.

I do a mixture of private & public shows for my Saddlebreds and they've been doing pretty well this month.
My other horse breeds are just public trained and I haven't noticed any severly lacking in points. I enter shows daily for them. Which I also noticed that you get a bit more points when doing daily training verses training everyone all at once at the beginning of the week. Hand picking to train is even better, but even I don't have time to comb through to find the unflooded shows. xD

I'm just thankful for the point gains to help boost this generation before my big Generation 30 project pony arrives!
Last year I missed out on a couple weeks due to the age gap of whatever generation I was on at that time for training haha!

I'm just glad I'm not going completely crazy. Trying to math this out in a way that made since was killing my brain. Now that I know it definitely makes sense. I also still need Google to undelete my stuff though because I need to figure out what I'm doing differently this year so I can adjust going forward.