My pictures got denied because of the use of AI. I had all the correct sources on them, even paid for the AI and have a copy right certificate.. So you can understand my frustration. I started over creating new pictures.. I would like to know if these are correct before putting them on my animals. Here is an example.. https://i.ibb.co/dJvvgK0/Angel.jpg

If it's not ok.. Why? I'm trying to learn.

Nope, can't be any % AI!

Also...please don't double post your forum posts...the edit reply button is your friend! :)

I really believe the leaders on HP should get together to discuss what does and doesn't constitute as AI.. Where do you draw the line when you're not 100% sure? Does that generator site count? If so, then it pinged your night horsephenomena photo almost the same as the one I asked about that said Blissful Acres. Which I personally don't believe is AI..

I just ran a bunch of profile pictures through the generater.. I'll even include the night HP picture so you can see the results.. Run images through it yourself so you see I'm not lying.

Since we can't come to an agreement on what is and isn't AI.. I'll be taking my leave.

https://i.ibb.co/Kswr7Hy/Screenshot-2024-10-27-172133-Copy.png

https://i.ibb.co/hMtf5vS/Screenshot-2024-10-27-172213.png

https://i.ibb.co/h96ZtH6/Screenshot-2024-10-27-172302.png

https://i.ibb.co/YN4Wy67/Screenshot-2024-10-27-172432.png

https://i.ibb.co/6Z4Xf6D/Screenshot-2024-10-27-172539-Copy.png

https://i.ibb.co/sKT1cSr/Screenshot-2024-10-27-172629-Copy.png

https://i.ibb.co/MsJybW1/Screenshot-2024-10-27-172729-Copy.png

https://i.ibb.co/27dMYcp/Screenshot-2024-10-27-172816-Copy.png

https://i.ibb.co/PjbrHbv/Screenshot-2024-10-27-172912-Copy.png

https://i.ibb.co/NmR47HJ/Screenshot-2024-10-27-172958.png

woah... that's uncalled for.. I know for a FACT that none of those are AI images. They've all been made by artists here on HP.

Yes all of those were done using proper stock with photshop and a lot of painting. That ai generator may not be totally reliable. You can even look up the stock and find the original pictures. Like with the ephemira image you can see this credit : https://stock.adobe.com/contributor/205658809/lori-ellis . If you do an internet search for that you can find the og image from the wings used here : https://stock.adobe.com/images/male-bald-eagle-flying-over-a-pond-casting-a-reflection-in-the-water-with-fall-color/229097512 So ephe took this wings and used photoshop to blend it in and make it look so realistic. But it was done by hand (on a computer) using all of the different piece to make one cohesive image.

I'm trying to make a point.. Did you see all of them hand draw everything or cut, paste and smooth all the images together? I'm not smart enough to look at a picture and know 100% if it is or is not AI.. So I used the generator.. and got simular results of the links above as to the Blissful Acres photo.. So how do you know the Blissful Acres photo is for sure AI? I feel like I'm asking a real question... How do you 100% know if it's AI or not? Especially when the generator was iffy...

Farewell, that replay makes a lot of sence.. Thank you.. So if I don't make the images from scratch.. I find it on pixabay then it cant be used and has to be considered AI... So I have to believe the Blissful Acre barn photo is AI because I dont have a background real photo for it.. so anything cartoonish is out..

thank you as well Jade.. That made it more clear as well!

You are welcome to delete my horses and my account.. this "game" isn't fun for me and never will be because of how the owners feel about images.

AI images use artificial intelligence (hence the acronym "AI") to generate some or all of the images on art. At the end of the day, there is no 100% foolproof way to know if something contains AI, but there are typically some signs you can look for, such as too smooth, warping, blurriness between objects, or inaccurate anatomy. For example, AI is notoriously bad at making realistic hands, and often, they will have bad dimensions or more fingers than they should. AI can be sold or made available for free on many websites, and even though most should be labeled as AI, this does not always happen, so you have to make your best judgment based on the image.

If you're ever in doubt, it's best to assume it is AI. This will help you avoid any headaches.

This is why crediting images is important. If someone makes an image with a background, a horse, and wings to make it a pegasus, credits should be listed for all three original image sources for those components. Being able to credit all three of these parts helps prove that you personally, or another artist you commissioned, manually put together that image.

Drawn art is always more difficult, but as I mentioned above, usually, some signs might point to it being AI. If someone draws the art, you can check the credits for the image to visit that artist's website. Most artists have a specific art style that makes it easy to see if the rest of their art matches that specific style. You can also review their other images to see if those images have signs of AI that perhaps the one you are interested in does not. This can help you determine whether or not it's AI.

At the end of the day, it's a matter of judgment on the HP staff's end since it is their website. If the HP staff are not convinced that they can prove whether or not the utilized art is genuine or AI, they will use their best judgment and make a decision. As I said earlier, if you're ever in doubt, it's best to assume it is AI.


EDITING TO ADD: Using Ephemira's art is a great example of this. Ephe has a whole website with MANY examples of their work. You can see how they have a consistent style. They also have proper credits that we can use to track down all the originally used images. This helps us know that they are legit.

Like with your image you just showed you would need to be able to show links to the original horse, cat, barn, dog, ect. images where they were used from. If it was all hand drawn with no reference images there would still need to be a link to the artist who made it so it can be checked that it is allowed to be used. AI is also REALLY bad at eyes. It always look too perfect. The bare bones of it is if you didn't create it or pay for it to be created it's best not to use it. But, like jade said, when it doubt assume it's AI.

Respectfully, "the leaders" have come up with an agreement on what constitutes AI. I should know, being the "head" leader on HP. And we do agree what constitutes AI...it's apparently you who is not in agreement with us on that fact. 

You have been linked to the news post regarding AI. You've had it explained to you by several of us on this forum thread, plus I'm sure by whichever of our mods messaged you about your graphics initially that brought you here with questions. 

We. Do. Not. Allow. AI. On. HP. 

I'll even cite the rule (which you agreed to upon joining HP and can find linked at the bottom of every page on this game): "AI-generated images are not permitted on HP, as part of an graphic, or on its own."

I was going to say a lot more on this, but Jade worded things very well on what I was going to say, so please see her above comment.

Additionally...every example you gave in your screenshots of has credits on it (which is another one of our rules, that all aspects of a graphic or image on here must be credited). AI-created images wouldn't be able to have that because AI images are created by splicing together small pieces of many other images to create their own, and AI doesn't give credits. Which is one of the main reasons we don't allow it, as it goes against our core values on this site. 

"But Blitz! Those wings could be AI-created!" - someone somewhere probably

That's when you go to where the credit claims they're from, and you look at the source. Does the source page say it was created using AI? Then yeah, it's not allowed on HP. If it doesn't, it's likely either been drawn or photographed by someone somewhere who then uploaded it to a stock photo site for someone on HP to find and use, in this case ephemira.

Like Jade said at the bottom of her reply...we as staff make our best judgement after looking at the facts when it comes to AI, the facts being what sources are credited on the image in question. We go, look at the site where they came from, and determine if it's been created using AI or not. 

damn my image so clean it gets marked as AI 😵‍💫🤪

I know, Ephe! That's what I was thinking; this artists should take this as a compliment!

i do! that image took a hot minute to complete lol

I bet it did! And it shows! It looks AMAZING!!!!!

1. AI uses theft to create its images. 

2. Horse Phenomena could get in serious shit with artists if images used to create new art are not stock. Stock means you can take aspects of images, cut them out and make new images with them. They are free to use, for the most part, though some have restrictions that say they are not to be used for the likes of HP and other sims. One way to prove stock was used is to add credits which link to the exact image/s used.

3. Horseland didn't give a fuck whether image theft happened or not, so people just went to Google and took whatever images they wanted. There were some artists who did use stock and give credit. HL was almost lawless, not just where graphics were concerned, but in how the game was run as a whole.

4. That pic you found looks very much like AI to me. Where did you find it? Three reasons I think it's AI: the overall look; the odd reins on the bridle; whatever that thing is inside the barn at the door. 

5. Most, if not all, of the players who replied to this have been playing since the start, so they know what they're talking about when it comes to rules around images and crediting. 15 years.

6. NOBODY here is out to get you. They're trying to stick to copyright laws and not get their asses sued by artists and photographers who have every right to dictate how their images are used.

7. Shame and silly if you quit over this issue. If you really want a layout image and/or images for your account/animals, and don't want to make your own, you could either buy pre-made images from the graphics auctions, or comission another player to create a picture with your specifications. 

https://i.ibb.co/YN4Wy67/Screenshot-2024-10-27-172432.png

I can 100% confirm this is in fact a beautifully handpainted portrait done by Amberellie of my own dog from a photo that I own and provided and is credited as such

https://i.imgur.com/e9IFA7G.jpg

I see graphics as this....

if it's not made my you(i.e. stock found and cut out and put onto a background; which is also stock) or a graphic artist you commission on HP or DA, then it would more than likely not count as something you can use on HP. 

Some of the images you've posted, I have known these artists for many, many years... some of those images I bought and watched them being put together piece by piece. I'm not saying artists don't make mistakes, they happen! However, I would never use AI, because of the art theft and it not giving credit to anything. 

Outside of this, there are many artists that would love to make images for you I am sure. This is an amazing community that helps out each other and all are friendly and wholesome. I am also from HL, years and years ago and I would take HP over HL any day of the week.

you only joined a few days ago. and you said your learning on picture making it takes time to learn the ropes both in making pictures and getting the hang on hp . dont quit on both yet. theres plenty of people on here who do picutes and making them who can help you learn. you just gotta take an deep breath , cool off and then ask i am sure lots on here will help you. as they all had to start somewere too. if it getting frustind take an break from making pictures. lurk ask questins when try again down the road. i truly hope you rethink about quitting . but if it is stressing you out to much your heath comes frist you need to do what wont stress you out 

First, thank you all for being kind though this entire conversation. Secondly, I would like to appologize to anyone that got upset or was offended. I know it's not an excuse, but I really was confused by what was considered AI and what was not. What I wasn't recogizing, until it was pointed out, was that modified pictures had to have a specific source back to original photos. I hope you will extend this ignorant girl some forgiveness and grace.

glad to see your back and gonna retry. i am sure theres plenty who will help you learn the ropes better. 

Your totally fine Keena!  I think there was just alot of confusion

And when in doubt, ask for help!!! There are so many players that are willing to help out, even if they aren't artists on here! I didn't know anything about crediting or stock images on HL until my latter years when someone was kind enough to point it out and hold me to a level of accountability in providing pictures for my "animals."